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Post by purdindas on Jul 4, 2018 18:17:46 GMT
Sadface's prospective Roster
Stats and rosters from eurobowl 2016
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Post by purdindas on Jul 4, 2018 18:26:40 GMT
This roster looks pretty good I feel. There is an argument for block, wrestle or dodge on the linemen or putting the skills on the catchers instead.
Ralph had some interesting ideas when it comes to Wood Elf rosters. Care to share Ralph?
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Post by mikerushby on Jul 6, 2018 12:57:06 GMT
It's a min/max conundrum with these. I think Blodging catchers or dodging linemen is more problematic for opponents than wrestle, though I understand the argument for protection and outpacing the oppo if you're both down.
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Post by sadface on Jul 6, 2018 12:58:48 GMT
The potential changes I see currently are: 1) Switch 1 wrestle for 1 block as Graham has suggested in a previous discussion to have a player you can safely blitz with for damage. 2) Switch Grab for Kick on a catcher, althought this is less likely as an option to me due to players being able to play around kick at a higher rank tournament, and the utility of Grab being extremely high in cases such as 1TTD.
Reason for wrestle over dodge/block on lino/catchers is to improve the matchups I struggle against, which are bash teams. And considering a lot of teams will have tackle dodge is wasted compared to wrestle imo. Having two wrestle also opens up ball sacking opportunities for when strip ball is not available/not viable.
I had gone with blocking catchers a lot of the time up until recently, but now that I've tried the double wrestle, I find that blocking catchers is too much of a "safe" choice, and misses the opportunity to have even more utility for woodelves .
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Post by garrick on Jul 7, 2018 14:18:41 GMT
My Antonine Wall Match Report repeated here:
1 Thrower with Leader 2 Wardancers with Tackle and Stripball 3 Catchers 4 Linemen - 1 Block and 1 Wrestle 1 Treeman 2 Rerolls + Leader
This is the roster I took to Antonine Wall BB Challenge based on Hawca’s League Championship winning team at the NAF Championships. Hawca’s 6th skill was Side Step on one of the Catchers.
Findings (from both Antonine Wall and my NAFC League Championship match with Hawca): Quite a different play style more in line with the Dark Elf Column defence I predominantly use. So Dodging away and keeping a solid defensive screen in the first half. Waiting for your opponent to make a mistake and going for a 1TTD (1 Turn Touch Down) if your opponent manages to score. Then holding onto the ball and scoring late in the second half. Not risking Leap unless the result is already in the bag, the threat of Leap is enough in itself to limit your opponent’s options.
Using the Block and Wrestle Linemen as your main blitzers and protecting the Wardancers so that your opponent gets very little chance to damage them as their loss severely frees up your opponent’s options. So Wardancers predominantly in the second rank as a threat and staying there.
With this approach Woodies suffer less casualties and the Wardancers are much more likely to survive the entire game which allows you to go without an Apothecary and instead have 3 rerolls which is very useful.
Antonine Wall was only 5 skills for Tier 1 so I dropped the Side Step on a Catcher. This skill is very useful for defending the touch lines, particularly if your opponent has Frenzy and in the mirror match makes it very difficult for your opponent Wood Elf coach to pull off a 1TTD.
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Post by Loki on Jul 10, 2018 14:53:40 GMT
All looks sensible chat here; I would add my weight to SS Catcher rather than Grab tree. Possibly even Grab Tree and SS Catcher with 1x Wrestle - as it make the 1 OTT much simpler
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Post by sadface on Jul 12, 2018 22:03:53 GMT
Side step is an interesting shout, it also has benefits as a bait, or even as a single piece to close down a sideline.
But then again there's always the issue of it becoming another special player you have to worry about protecting, especially since the piece would be ST2. I wonder if a skill investment for that sort of return is worth it over the course of a match?
Edit: I also never understood people's praise sidestep for OTTs, realistically speaking the only part of the process it makes a difference in is the last push surely? I see grab as a far better skill for OTT purposes. Something like sure feet or even leap on a catcher might be more beneficial in general if a skill was to be invested for OTT purposes.
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Post by garrick on Jul 14, 2018 9:56:50 GMT
Hawca's roster is designed for a different play style. Block and Wrestle linemen for Blitzing so as to not expose your Wardancers. Side Step Catcher as a side line defence against Frenzy and to make it nigh impossible for your opponent to score a OTTD in a mirror match or v Skaven. Not to help your own OTTD. Wardancers predominantly as a threat, not Leaping unless the result is already in the bag. 3 Rerolls and no Apo as this style of play keeps the casualties aganinst you down.
In short the Wardancers are a deterrent not play makers and it is a very different play style.
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