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Post by Vanguard on Dec 16, 2014 10:10:07 GMT
In case anyone missed it, the NAF are now sanctioning Tournament Series - www.thenaf.net/2014/12/naf-tournament-series/Don't think there's anything in there that conflicts with the current set-up. Although, is the current Series restricted to those resident in Scotland, ex-pats and anyone else with a tenuous link? I'm guessing that'd conflict with NAF sanctioning requirements that tournaments are open to all. Not to say that sanctioning is really required for the Scottish Championship however.
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Post by garrick on Dec 16, 2014 19:06:35 GMT
I have emailed Mike to find out if it would be appropriate to register the Scottish Championships 2015 for this.
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Post by garrick on Dec 18, 2014 23:32:24 GMT
I have discussed this at some length with the NAF.
As the Scottish Championships are a closed (only open to Scottish Residents and other demonstrably Scottish players) series the NAF cannot sanction it but will publicise and may give us prize support.
We could discuss opening it up but we would be in serious danger of handing the trophy to a Geordie at the end of the series, what does everybody think?
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Post by Vanguard on Dec 19, 2014 9:45:02 GMT
we would be in serious danger of handing the trophy to a Geordie at the end of the series I did think that this would become a real possibility. That said, if we restricted it to just Scottish tournies (possibly plus NAF Chanmps) then the possibility of stealing our trophy might get a decent crowd from Newcastle up for more of the Scottish events which would be good for the organisers/events.
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Post by garrick on Dec 19, 2014 10:33:12 GMT
So as I see it we have 3 choices:
1) Keep the current unsanctionable formula which worked last year with entry restricted to "Scots".
2) Create a half way house with the inclusion of a limited number of "foreign" tournaments but open to all contestants possibly * sanctionable by the NAF.
* Non Scottish tournaments would have to commit to the Scottish series and would not be allowed into any other sanctioned series.
3) Create a Scottish tournaments only Championship open to all contestants and sanctionable by the NAF.
The downside of open to all tournaments is the possibility of seeing the trophy leave Scotland but the upside of option 3) in particular would be to encourage English players to come up to Scottish tournaments plus the increased NAF publicity and prize support.
Sorry Valen but I vote option 3! What does everybody else think?
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Post by Vanguard on Dec 19, 2014 11:41:58 GMT
Do we know how many Scottish tournaments we'll have? - Bridie Bowl - Confirmed
- Burger Bowl - Potentially dependent on AlbaBowl?
- AlbaBowl - Mooted, but don't believe any commitment has been made
- Ochil Bowl - Expected
- Weegie Bowl - Planned
Five tournaments is certainly enough for a series, with or without the inclusion of the NAFC.
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Post by purdindas on Dec 24, 2014 14:30:38 GMT
Our format doesn't really apply to this. We'd have to rename the championship the north British championship or something. That may mean giving the trophy over to a geordie as you said Graham. Depends on how inclusive we want to be.
I like the current format as it gives us Scots something we can compete for with an actual chance of winning. Creating a separate 'North British championship' would be a better option. One which all the relevant tournament organisers would have to agree upon.
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Post by garrick on Dec 30, 2014 12:38:00 GMT
Having had several hours stuck in a bus on a snow covered French Alpine road I came up with a compromise independently that I think broadly parallels Ant's thoughts above:
Create a Scottish tournaments only Series open to all contestants and sanctionable by the NAF. The downside of open to all tournaments is the possibility of seeing the NAF trophy leave Scotland but the upside would be to encourage more players to come to Scottish tournaments plus the increased NAF publicity and prize support. This could be expanded into a North British Series if we wanted to include the Geordies and they were amenable.
In addition crown a Scottish Champion within the Scottish Series as the highest placed Scot within the series and they win the Dragon trophy. Ideally this would be the same person but if a non Scot won the series then we would still have a Scottish Champion and the Dragon trophy would remain in Scottish Hands.
As we have a core of active Scottish players at the UKTC, I suggest we discuss this there and hopefully come to a consensus.
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Post by mcpippy on Jan 2, 2015 13:11:40 GMT
Was just thinking this as I read down the thread.
Award the dragon to the highest placed Scot (not an official NAF award).
Give the official NAF award to the highest placed player, whether Scottish or not.
Quite possible that the same guy/gal will win both.
If you pick a majority (or totality) of Scottish tournaments then you're almost guaranteeing the winner will be Scottish. Or you may encourage more English folk to attend Scottish events. It's a win/win surely?
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Post by Vanguard on Jan 3, 2015 16:42:13 GMT
Yeah, so a single NAF Sanctioned series, open to all, with a new trophy plus the existing Dragon trophy awarded on the same series but only open to Scots (however tenuous that connection may be
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Post by garrick on Jan 15, 2015 19:19:03 GMT
Proposed Northern British Series With the recent announcement of the NAF sanctioning tournament series www.thenaf.net/2014/12/naf-tournament-series/ Stan Richardson supported by Graham Thomson are intending to create a Northern British Series including all the Scottish tournaments open to all contestants. The NAF will sanction, publicize and provide prize support for the Northern British Series which will encourage more players to come to Scottish and Northern English tournaments. The Northern Series will consist of: WaterBowl, Stockport 21/22 February 2015 BridieBowl, Arbroath 21 March 2015 MonkeyBowl, Hartlepool 11/12 April 2015 Block Around the Clock, Gateshead 2/3 May 2015 BurgerBowl, Edinburgh July 2015 OchilBowl, Stirling August 2015 GeordieBowl, Newcastle August 2015 WeegieBowl. Glasgow September 2015 Scoring • All scoring is per tournament but only your top 3 scores will count. • A coach must attend at least 4 tournaments in the series to be eligible. • +10 to +1 points for top 10 placement on a declining scale. In other words a 1st place finish would be worth 10 points, a 2nd place finish would be worth 9 points, on down to a 10th place finish being worth 1 point. • +1 point per 10 places below them in the standings. (Examples: A coach finishing 1st in a 32-coach tournament would receive a bonus of +3 because there are 30+ coaches below them. A coach finishing 1st in an 11 coach tournament would receive a bonus of +1 because there are 10 coaches below them. A coach finishing first in a 10-coach tournament would receive no bonus because there are only 9 coaches below them.) • +1 point per day of the tournament. Given to all participants. • Coaches will be required to coach at least 2 different types of teams, their total score must include at least 1 result from this 2nd race. • Tiebreakers: Coaches receive .1 points for each tournament they participate in. This score is taken in whole and is not reduced to "best 3" as with other scores. So someone who participated in 9 tournaments might have a total score of 30.9, beating out someone who only played in 8 tournaments and has 30.8. • Secondary tiebreakers: Highest placed at largest tournament in the series. N.B. We will crown a Scottish Champion “within” the Northern Series (scoring criteria to be determined which may include NAFC) and they will win the Dragon trophy.
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Post by Vanguard on Jan 16, 2015 9:15:36 GMT
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Post by tatsujin on Jan 19, 2015 19:45:22 GMT
Why is NAF sanctioning important?
Why not make the 'Scottish' Series open to all comers, but have all scores counting and include a couple of rounds in Aberdeen/Inverness or even more up North? If you are concerned about non-Scots winning, how do you guard against a dedicated coach from anywhere (!) turning up and winning the series?
Handing out a Dragon (welsh?) Trophy has the potential to be a consolation, second class prize in a Northern Britain series.
I'm Scottish, I'm not Northern British. ;-)
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Post by HumptyTrump on Jan 19, 2015 20:10:53 GMT
I am under the impression that the purpose of having a Scot only Trophy is to encourage the Scottish Blood Bowl scene. This can only be a good thing for the local community. As far as the Trophy being a Dragon, I would prefer that to a Haggis. (Not that I am arrogant enough to believe that it is mine to lose.) Humpty
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Post by garrick on Jan 19, 2015 23:43:29 GMT
Why is NAF sanctioning important? Why not make the 'Scottish' Series open to all comers, but have all scores counting and include a couple of rounds in Aberdeen/Inverness or even more up North? If you are concerned about non-Scots winning, how do you guard against a dedicated coach from anywhere (!) turning up and winning the series? Handing out a Dragon (welsh?) Trophy has the potential to be a consolation, second class prize in a Northern Britain series. I'm Scottish, I'm not Northern British. ;-) NAF sanctioning provides prize support and visibility to the world wide Blood Bowl playing community, encouraging more players to attend and generally furthering the game we all enjoy in Scotland. The NAF sanctioned Scottish Series is open to all comers but after consultation with the Scottish Blood Bowl playing community it was decided that there were not enough tournaments in Scotland to make a "series" work and we should cooperate with our Geordie pals to "make it happen". Separate from the newly inaugurated Northern Series we have an existing Scottish Champion who holds the existing Scottish Championship Dragon (which is beautifully sculpted, about 18" high and donated by a member of the Scottish Blood Bowl community - it would cost about £200 to commission something like this and it is definitely not Welsh!). And the rest of the Scottish competitive Blood Bowl community are looking forward to winning it off him in 2015. "include a couple of rounds in Aberdeen/Inverness or even more up North?" We would be delighted and I can assure you that the Central Lowlanders would arrive in force, when do you plan to run these tournaments? Garrick, definitely Scottish!
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